Does this fic exist?

[citrus_java]

We write so much dub-con - is there any fic out there at all about anybody dealing with any form of domestic abuse - not as part of a story about a better relationship coming along? As a personal thing ?

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[balder12.livejournal.com]

My immediate reaction was 'there must be!', but I can't think of any that doesn't involve a third party who gets romantically involved with the victim.

There are factions in fandom who think that one brother is canonically an abuser to the other, though, so you might find them writing that kind of fic. The downside, obviously, is that anything they wrote would probably be pretty character-bashy to whichever Winchester is the villain.

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

IKR? There must be! But I can't think of a single one, not in any of the "women being awesome" fics, not in any gen I recall,, any fandom, not anywhere t all. I remember one fic in which John is abusive towards Sam and Dean get Sam and leaves, but that is not the same thing. I can't think of that many fics in which it's a hurt/comfort thing or meant to be contrasted with the better partner (if you need that to look good etc) - but those definitely exist, I can think of several. Perhaps it's because writes write relationship fantasies, so writing something hellish in which any comfort would be being alone is not of interest? I don't really know what people write in "hurt no comfort" type fics, IDK.

Ugh, good point, about those fics. I haven't read much of those, and that's OK with me really, but those I read were maybe more about the good brother getting into a "healthy" alternative relationship?
Hm. I really love both brothers, and still I believe fic can be written that doesn't - ehm - demonize - either of them, and still is about the other needing to get away, actually getting away. I kinda want that for Sam. Actually, it could be awesome to have a fic in which they "break up" (or break up) and each of them deal with it, including the good aspects of it. All the reasons they actually need to be apart. Maybe the later seasons of SPN will inspire a new genre in fan fiction, the "breakups can be good too" genre...

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

In the SGA fandom, the sub!John - A Survivor series? http://archiveofourown.org/series/3958 (BDSM AU) I am not 100% sure it fits your criteria. It does involve the survivor entering a new relationship, but I also don't feel it's one of those stories that go "this leading character has a dark secret past of abuse that is magically healed by sex".

Wow, actually most of the domestic abuse stories I can think of are in BDSM AUs. I'm not sure what to make of this.

(The other one being branwyn's Unconventional Dynamics story: http://archiveofourown.org/works/369324/chapters/609416, and I think there's a similar fic of epic length quite similar to it as well)

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the rec!
Yeah, I've read a bunch of those connected as well (depends on your deifinition of 'domestic abuse', perhaps...) -
for me, they're - I get the connection. For me, BDSM is not detached from abuse (in many cases) - dealing with it, wanting it, working through it...? How do you see it?

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

BDSM is not detached from abuse (in many cases) - dealing with it, wanting it, working through it...?
Totally.

From what I understand, abuse can really thrive in subcultures like BDSM or queer communities? I'm not very well-read on this, but that's my understanding.

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

I've heard of incidents with that -
I know about myself that I sometimes need to work to figure out if there is even a line .
I don't shine at saying "no" when I know it's disappoint the other person - or I know what is expected of me. It's harder with people I care about and want to please. I've found myself talking myself into things I didn't want, telling myself it would be like BDSM, so it's fine .




But more than that - the desire to sub and the desire to be abused (some variations of it, at least) are not always a different thing at all - the safe and mutually wanted aspects are a very important difference , but the drive can be the same.