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citrus_java) wrote2013-10-30 03:57 pm
citrus_java) wrote2013-10-30 03:57 pm
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904 (spoilers, of course)
Good episode! Clearly a Robbie episode – rethinking the Batcave, shout outs to past events on the show, making character moments, working out the issue of Sam's room, fan shout outs, sense of wonder, broment, Charlie, POL, and just the quality of writing.
I like that the writers are making a serious effort to add female characters we'd like to the show. And I love that mostly they aren't there as love interests, though we get enough hints to interest the fic writers (I hope). It's interesting to me to watch them trying to write for an audience of women, when you're writing a show that isn't your stereotypical show for women. Trying to figure out what we want, how to make it work, whether or not to give it to us etc. As awesome women on the show go, though, to me Dorothy was a nice try, but a miss. "Strong feminine mostly normative woman making it in the men's world without too many traits" is one way of being awesome, perhaps, but kinda done.
GoT! I must revisit the drawing the awesome Leigh Lahav made for my prompt! :-)
Charlie and the books, and fanfic, eeeeee! No wonder she appreciated them having a dungeon. Wonder if Becky ever, erm, edited anything in or out. The ever-subtle Dean wants to know where he can find them. Please read them and figure out the thing with the message Sam still think you left him, Dean. And while you're at it, have a talk about the amulet, please, now.
I LOVE that they finally mentioned Sam's room. Sam not wanting to jinks it and call it a home. Love that Sam talked about it (though he changed the subject before, with Charlie). On top of what Sam said, perhaps he felt/feels like he was not gonna be around for very long, so why decorate. And that moment in the end, that look! Oh! Better than a hug! Boys, you're there! In your untalky , bondy selves, yes! Yes! YES!
Now!
Why was the slumber party in Sam's room? I get that Dean wouldn't want the it in his privast space, but why Sam's? Cause he has the good TV? What does he watch?
It was interesting to see him sitting on a chair while the others got comfy(ish) on his bed.
Braid Sam's hair, please. It's becoming a show thing. Who do you say gets to do it first?
Dean decorating – fic time! And being bummed out that he'd just cleaned the kitchen, aww, Dean! Anyway, now that Baby's moved in, Dean really lives there too. Plus, it's safer, if they're trying to avoid being found.
And another thing.
Sam: Why did Cas leave, really?
Dean: *opens his coat in a flasher move* Pudding!
By the way – Sam's the one trying to help Cas, *Sam*. Again.
Twice this episode Dean was called stupid. Sam: "You know, Dean, the ones without pictures" – ukgh. Dislike. Can it be OOC, just Zeke being a douchbag? We all know he doesn't have to do the eye thing! Crowley called Dean brainless and Sam soulless (or the other way around?). Ouch. And if Charlie's Toto, does that mean Crowley's the coward? That much might work, the way he seems to think about himself.
I really like that the writers are finally using the Bat Cave.
I like that the writers are making a serious effort to add female characters we'd like to the show. And I love that mostly they aren't there as love interests, though we get enough hints to interest the fic writers (I hope). It's interesting to me to watch them trying to write for an audience of women, when you're writing a show that isn't your stereotypical show for women. Trying to figure out what we want, how to make it work, whether or not to give it to us etc. As awesome women on the show go, though, to me Dorothy was a nice try, but a miss. "Strong feminine mostly normative woman making it in the men's world without too many traits" is one way of being awesome, perhaps, but kinda done.
GoT! I must revisit the drawing the awesome Leigh Lahav made for my prompt! :-)
Charlie and the books, and fanfic, eeeeee! No wonder she appreciated them having a dungeon. Wonder if Becky ever, erm, edited anything in or out. The ever-subtle Dean wants to know where he can find them. Please read them and figure out the thing with the message Sam still think you left him, Dean. And while you're at it, have a talk about the amulet, please, now.
I LOVE that they finally mentioned Sam's room. Sam not wanting to jinks it and call it a home. Love that Sam talked about it (though he changed the subject before, with Charlie). On top of what Sam said, perhaps he felt/feels like he was not gonna be around for very long, so why decorate. And that moment in the end, that look! Oh! Better than a hug! Boys, you're there! In your untalky , bondy selves, yes! Yes! YES!
Now!
Why was the slumber party in Sam's room? I get that Dean wouldn't want the it in his privast space, but why Sam's? Cause he has the good TV? What does he watch?
It was interesting to see him sitting on a chair while the others got comfy(ish) on his bed.
Braid Sam's hair, please. It's becoming a show thing. Who do you say gets to do it first?
Dean decorating – fic time! And being bummed out that he'd just cleaned the kitchen, aww, Dean! Anyway, now that Baby's moved in, Dean really lives there too. Plus, it's safer, if they're trying to avoid being found.
And another thing.
Sam: Why did Cas leave, really?
Dean: *opens his coat in a flasher move* Pudding!
By the way – Sam's the one trying to help Cas, *Sam*. Again.
Twice this episode Dean was called stupid. Sam: "You know, Dean, the ones without pictures" – ukgh. Dislike. Can it be OOC, just Zeke being a douchbag? We all know he doesn't have to do the eye thing! Crowley called Dean brainless and Sam soulless (or the other way around?). Ouch. And if Charlie's Toto, does that mean Crowley's the coward? That much might work, the way he seems to think about himself.
I really like that the writers are finally using the Bat Cave.
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I like that the writers are making a serious effort to add female characters we'd like to the show. And I love that mostly they aren't there as love interests
Agreed. It would be interesting to know if the writing team was actively trying to integrate more female characters or if it's just a matter of what services the story/MotW. I've always felt that there were a decent number of female characters in SPN, even significant female characters, it's just that our impression is that it's a overwhelmingly male dominated show based on the fact that the recurring characters tend to be male and, thus, those are the characters who we become more familiar with and invested in.
Sam: "You know, Dean, the ones without pictures" – ukgh. Dislike.
According to RT's live tweets, JP and JA switched the lines in this scene. Dean was supposed to be the one keen on reading the books. It's nice to know that it wasn't RT's intention to make a light hearted jab at Dean's book smarts (we all know that Dean is plenty smart), but, in fact, he was doing the exact opposite. TBH, when I first saw that scene, I felt that it was more "Dean-like" to be all fannish about GoT rather than Sam.
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Agreed. My speculation is clear, but I have been wrong before :)
But I believe that they're changing things intentionally. Dean saying fewer things that can be interpreted as misogynist, trying to add more characters of color, Sam saying a sentence and a half in Spanish, Charlie commenting several times on feminism and being called a woman of letters - I'm not saying these things are necessarily working, but there are enough of them turning up at once for me to believe they're intentional.
To me it's fascinating and disturbing that this coinsides with them getting money and a home. It's a resious shift from one form of slight male duchbagary ("bitch" and so forth associated with lower class) to another form of it (like the way Dean treated Portia), associated with middle class.
I've always felt that there were a decent number of female characters in SPN, even significant female characters, it's just that our impression is that it's a overwhelmingly male dominated show based on the fact that the recurring characters tend to be male and, thus, those are the characters who we become more familiar with and invested in.
I'd say they're also more characterized, way way more, and until Charlie, female characters on the show were generally stock characters with nothing really added. I love what fandom's done with many of them, but the way they are on the show makes me shudder.
According to RT's live tweets, JP and JA switched the lines in this scene. Dean was supposed to be the one keen on reading the books. It's nice to know that it wasn't RT's intention to make a light hearted jab at Dean's book smarts (we all know that Dean is plenty smart), but, in fact, he was doing the exact opposite.
I wonder whether Jared made that up. It sounds like something he could say. But if it was meant as a jab at Sam, it feels way less mean, to me. First of all, cause it would have been Dean deflecting, such a stupid insult probably being the first thing that came to mind to say in order to change the subject from him having read the books. And second, because towards Sam it's more clearly a ridiculous thing to Sam. For Dean, even if he doesn't have an issue with being smart, he does have an issue with class, and being illiterate is such a class stereotype... also, for some reason, had it been direct "unlike you, I do read" or just calling Dean an idiot, it wouldn't have felt as mean to me. Somehow drawing the picture of Dean not being able to read felt meaner, perhaps. IDK.
TBH, when I first saw that scene, I felt that it was more "Dean-like" to be all fannish about GoT rather than Sam.
I agree, but then it's more of a Sam thing to read...?
But mostly, I was thrilled Sam actually got some sort of characterization, ever. Though I guess it worked a bit against the scene establishing that Sam doesn't allow himself much of that.