I'm not angry at all, didn't meant for it to come across as anger....
I'm not saying I'm against normalizing incest in society, I'm not even against writing about it as normalized even though it isn't in most cultures I know of, because imo it's good to envision that sort of existence. But it really bothers me the the norm of writing Wincest had become doing that. Just like gay relationships, beating yourself up about it is definitely not the only way it can influence your life (though believe me, you can keep beating yourself up over stuff for longer than ten years, especially if society tells you you should, and especially if you're settling into being semi normal, like Sam believed they were season 9). I mean - pick any disempowered group you are part of. You are going to face things about that beyond an innitial beating yourself up of it (if that).
they flaunt the law at every turn - have nearly ended the world - I don't really see a little incest bothering them all that much anymor
Doing epic acts of heroism and the little daily life identity things are completely different, and that is a significant part of the characters' charm and interest. Dean is embarrassed to admit he enjoys Taylor Swift. He freaks out when people think he isn't manly. Sam is embarrassed that Dean catches him watching porn, or even that Dean makes a scene at a parking lot. They're human people, they are influenced by society even though they're heroes. That is pat of their appeal.
Again, this is so far from being a post against incest. This is a post saying - can we please try to paint a more realistic and complex picture of it?
IDK, it bothers me a lot to read stories about, say, Sam coming out to Dean as transgender and Dean being totally supportive and educated about it in three seconds and never misgendering and never saying anything nasty. It's good that there are stories like that, because it's good to envision tht sort of possibility, but it is NOT the way things are likely to go now.
I'm usually passionate about the pairing just from how someone writes it
That is exactly what I'm saying, except for the part where you haven'[t read fics that didn't do that. Good for you, then.
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I'm not saying I'm against normalizing incest in society, I'm not even against writing about it as normalized even though it isn't in most cultures I know of, because imo it's good to envision that sort of existence. But it really bothers me the the norm of writing Wincest had become doing that. Just like gay relationships, beating yourself up about it is definitely not the only way it can influence your life (though believe me, you can keep beating yourself up over stuff for longer than ten years, especially if society tells you you should, and especially if you're settling into being semi normal, like Sam believed they were season 9). I mean - pick any disempowered group you are part of. You are going to face things about that beyond an innitial beating yourself up of it (if that).
they flaunt the law at every turn - have nearly ended the world - I don't really see a little incest bothering them all that much anymor
Doing epic acts of heroism and the little daily life identity things are completely different, and that is a significant part of the characters' charm and interest. Dean is embarrassed to admit he enjoys Taylor Swift. He freaks out when people think he isn't manly. Sam is embarrassed that Dean catches him watching porn, or even that Dean makes a scene at a parking lot. They're
humanpeople, they are influenced by society even though they're heroes. That is pat of their appeal.Again, this is so far from being a post against incest. This is a post saying - can we please try to paint a more realistic and complex picture of it?
IDK, it bothers me a lot to read stories about, say, Sam coming out to Dean as transgender and Dean being totally supportive and educated about it in three seconds and never misgendering and never saying anything nasty. It's good that there are stories like that, because it's good to envision tht sort of possibility, but it is NOT the way things are likely to go now.
I'm usually passionate about the pairing just from how someone writes it
That is exactly what I'm saying, except for the part where you haven'[t read fics that didn't do that. Good for you, then.